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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 25 December 2005, 22:21 »
I just wanted to add in addition to what advisor said and in reply to anastasias who said: "funny that advisor believes in islamic Israelites, I would expect God to name jakob something like Arab or so."

Islaam and Arabic are two different things.

Like Advisor said, Islaam did not begin at MuHammad.

From all the Messengers of God which are so numerous if you count them from the start to the end, only a few were Arabs.

Arab is a language. Islaam is a Religion.

All Messengers of God were sent to the people with the same message even if it was in different languages.
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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 27 December 2005, 07:41 »
This I found worth replying: It might be known to muslims, because they don't acknowledge ancient scriptures, but we do respect them, so it is known to us that these scriptures are kept in archives in different places(to be looked in).

Profets are people who prodict something, the bible speaks about sixteen profets, in the bible people like Abraham, Adam, jona and Seth they don't prodict anything thereby no profets.
Biblical profets profecy what is going to happen with the israelites till the day of today and more.
Things like the diaspora(removal out of their country),their persecution, returnal and the hostility of other nations, were predicted, also that they will never be overcome and about Christ work.
All came trough till know. I guess you don't know to much about christianity(jewish) eather?

advisor:Thanks for websites.

All this to come to the conclusion that the christian(Jewish) God is not the same as the muslim God, though there is only one God, so one is false, because they are too different. 

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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 27 December 2005, 07:49 »
please, where can I find the rules for the forum?

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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 27 December 2005, 13:07 »
We've been Upgrading, We may revise our rules soon but for now:

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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 27 December 2005, 14:04 »
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Profets are people who prodict something, the bible speaks about sixteen profets

When we say Prophets we mean the ones who are sent to guide people to their best interest.
a group of Prophets are also called  messengers, this includes Ibrahim (abraham) Noo^h (Noah) Moses Jesus and Muhammad
The Arabic Term Nabiy is translated to Prophet in English.
Nabiy is from Naba^ which means Inform.
So prophets inform about releigion and remind people to follow the path of righteosness before the day they will die.

This can span a lot so let me try to be as brief as possible.

Prophets are special in many ways. first they don't earn this status, they are born prophets.Although they didn't recive the revelation until later in their lives
 Muhammad for instance received it at 40 years old.

The prophets were attributed with truthfulness, trustworthiness, and intelligence.
Consequently, lying, dishonesty, vileness, stupidity, and dullness were
impossible to be among their attributes.

They were also attributed with impeccability of blasphemy(1), the great sins (such as drinking alcohol and unjustful killing), and abject small Sins (such as stealing one grape).

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Things like the diaspora(removal out of their country),their persecution, returnal and the hostility of other nations, were predicted, also that they will never be overcome and about Christ work.
All came trough till know. I guess you don't know to much about christianity(jewish) eather?

I'm guessing all in the so called "Old testment"
this therory of Armageddon, and it's the basic of the neo-conservative Support to Israel. they consider themselves servents to the Israelists
Actually there may be a reference of this in Quraan. But instead. It says they will be overrun if they went back.

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All this to come to the conclusion that the christian(Jewish) God is not the same as the muslim God, though there is only one God, so one is false, because they are too different.

We beleive in the one almighty God that doesn't resemble any of His creation. You beleive in a vague system of incarnations that I can't find Logical.

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t might be known to muslims, because they don't acknowledge ancient scriptures, but we do respect them, so it is known to us that these scriptures are kept in archives in different places(to be looked in).

Alright apparently you keep mentioning this because you rely on it a lot. so let me pop this bubble.

What if I say that there is a scripture the talks about a so called "god" that lives on high mountain called ollympus and likes to have intercourse with the women worshiping him? and he even have a so called "half gods half humans" sons. I'll not talk about the female so called god that envys all females that are "prettier" than her.

Would you Aknowledge the existance of such a thing? Rhetorical question please don't answer.

Scriptures usually don't mean much.

in the 300~400 or so years before Muhammad Peace be Upon him there were no Human muslims on earth.

To be more accurate the stories talk about very few who lived in Isolation. they were a very special case







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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 29 December 2005, 12:54 »
I guess it's best to continue to talk little by little, if you don't mind

Everyone his own definition about prophets.

The prophecy about the Jewish (for us the same as Israelites) is in the Old Testament yes.
Armageddon or the ends of times is described in the new testament, but that hardly about the Israel, its about humanity, so still impressive that before Jesus the prophets knew what would happen today.

Koran is obvious not the same as the bible, we'll see or they will be overrun, but we'll need to have patients I guess.

Incarnations? That against bible, I find Islam not logically either (not always)

I assume you compare the bible with myths?
You say that Prophets are the ones who are sent to guide people to their best interest, but you don't acknowledge their writings?
We are talking here about like 40 people from different centuries, different classes, confirming each other, and don’t forget that the bible was considered authorative by Mohammed.

If scripture doesn't mean much than the Koran doesn't mean much and better scripture than a revelation gone up to heaven.

Some questions that rose after reading some articles from the websites:

“Muhammad exerted successful efforts in calling for Islam and was supported by God with miracles. By that, prophet Muhammad proved to others that he is a prophet and truthful.”

Christians all over the world are still performing miracles today. Mainly healing, like family of a friend of mine where healed. Are they than also prophets?

Can you find the two great commandments in the Koran? ”Love the Lord (or God) with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and the second is like it: love your neighbour as yourself. All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments”.
In new and old testament!

About eternity: I know that man would receive many virgins, what about women? They receive man? Since Koran speaks about virgins, would we be in same body as we are now? And is Heaven that about physical experience?
Bible speaks about us receiving glorified bodies and enjoying His presents and worshiping him in eternity, but many virgins would be a distraction from that.

 If Mohammed is the great and last prophet why is not he, but Jesus the one whose going to judge the world in the end?

Remark: Christians are Christians because they follow Jesus CHRIST’s teachings to the letter and example to the deeds after centuries of careful research; so don’t be to quick to say that Jesus was a Muslim.

take your time.

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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 29 December 2005, 14:29 »
You still proclaiming that jesus is a god ! or God lives inside him !!!!! you can't continue with your wrong idea like that here, or in another way , your wrong idea this won't take you anywhere .....
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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 29 December 2005, 14:45 »
Anastasis you letting your pre-convictions stand between U and what I'm trying to say. so lets go little by little.

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Koran is obvious not the same as the bible, we'll see or they will be overrun, but we'll need to have patients I guess.

What I said is that their maybe reference for this in the Quraan. So it's not a "lets wait & see situation"
 there is not a definitive verse. this may take centuaries.

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Incarnations?

Well then How do you explain What you claim that God comes in three "types"? sorry that makes no sense.

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I assume you compare the bible with myths?

See thats what I was Talking about in the first line of the post.
I'm comparing scripts to Scripts.

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We are talking here about like 40 people from different centuries, different classes, confirming each other

From what I know, all can be traced to one, who could be a liar. I think that one is Peter. (you call Saint Peter)

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and don’t forget that the bible was considered authorative by Mohammed.

The Original one. Muhammad Peace be upon him never considered the altered bible we have for about 17 centuaries authorative.

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If scripture doesn't mean much than the Koran doesn't mean much and better scripture than a revelation gone up to heaven.

I didn't quite understand what You're saying but the way Quraan reached Us is this Hundreds of people memorized it, from them hundreds memorized, from them thousands memorized it. to this day. it's impossible they all agree to lie the same lie.

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Christians all over the world are still performing miracles today. Mainly healing, like family of a friend of mine where healed. Are they than also prophets?

Then you don't know the definition of a miracle.
a Miracle is something supernatural that happens on the hands of a Prophet. And no one can do anything like it. Or claim they can do the same. Examples
Moses's staff changed into a huge snake when he droped it on the floor. When Pharo's magicians claimed the can do it and a "duel" was set. Moses snake "ate" the magician's sticks and ropes whick people thought changed to snakes due to illusions the performed. Immediatly the Magicians became muslims because they knew this is no magic.

Jesus used to cure the man who was born blind. until now this is most of the times impossible medically. And he raised three people from the dead. One of them had been dead for thousands of years.

Muhammad was blessed with the Holy Quraan. although the arabs at that time were in their golden age of poetry and comprehension. they couldn't even com near its linguistic strength and composition.

and I know how your system of what U call miracles work. I live in a country almost half of it are christians and all there is to it is they go to a shrine and light a candle and pray their son be cured of a sickness. if he does they consider it a miracle. and amazingly the have a system of "scorekeeping" and ranking system. '

if you build a shrine for hitler, you might make him a saint at this rate.

Lots of Questions:

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Can you find the two great commandments in the Koran?Love the Lord (or God) with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and the second is like it: love your neighbour as yourself.

It's a blasphemy to "hate" Allah. and loving one's neghiboure is a good thing. It's mentioned in the Prophet's teachings.

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About eternity: I know that man would receive many virgins, what about women? They receive man?

Dunno really.
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Since Koran speaks about virgins, would we be in same body as we are now?

No. Muslims will be way taller and very handsom, as Handsom as Yusef the Prophet(josef). In paradise.
In Hell the dwellers will be very large. and their skin will be very thick so they keep suffering as it burns.

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And is Heaven that about physical experience?

Absolutly yes it's an eternal physical experiance. and so is Hell.

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Bible speaks about us receiving glorified bodies and enjoying His presents and worshiping him in eternity, but many virgins would be a distraction from that.

Of course in paradise they will be worshiping Allah, Praising Him all the time. But the phisical prayers, the fasting,...etc there are non. Muslims will be rewarded for doing that in this life. So No obligations. And the Hoor el Ein are there as a part of the blessings.

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If Mohammed is the great and last prophet why is not he, but Jesus the one whose going to judge the world in the end?

I don't follow. Allah will judge all people after the resurrection. Not Jesus nor Muhammad.

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Remark: Christians are Christians because they follow Jesus CHRIST’s teachings to the letter and example to the deeds after centuries of careful research; so don’t be to quick to say that Jesus was a Muslim.

That research apperently made them Deviat from the path of  truth. Because Jesus never asked to be worshiped.

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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 31 December 2005, 07:41 »
just for crescent( hopes he read it) a passage out of John10:33:

"We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God. Jesus answered him; is it not written in your law; 'I have said you are Gods?' (psalm82:6) If he called them Gods  to whom the word of God came -and the scripture can not be broken- what about the one whom the father has set apart as his very own and sent into the world? why then do you accuse Him from blasphemy, because I said I am Gods son. Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the father is in me and I in the Father

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Re: is Allah the same God as the christian (jewish)God?
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 31 December 2005, 11:37 »
just for crescent( hopes he read it) a passage out of John10:33:

"We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God. Jesus answered him; is it not written in your law; 'I have said you are Gods?' (psalm82:6) If he called them Gods  to whom the word of God came -and the scripture can not be broken- what about the one whom the father has set apart as his very own and sent into the world? why then do you accuse Him from blasphemy, because I said I am Gods son. Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the father is in me and I in the Father

We Don't beleive in any of this.
Now you claim Jesus called the jews gods? thats preposterous
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