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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 April 2009, 07:46 »
Hha ha ha, one name Haji Amin, Oh blessed Hashem, Haji Amin acted the same way for saving his country the Jews collaborated with British to occupy the land - The British promised to help Arabs if they provide their support in World War-I but this was a deception and Balfour Declaration came later.
 
Haji Amin never was Vladimir Jabotinsky, no way history.

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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 09 April 2009, 10:43 »
In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:

... to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.

Right after the 1942 Allied victory in El Alamein, Jerusalem's grand mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, took to the airwaves and broadcast in Arabic from Berlin. At that time he already was "prime minister" of a pan-Arab government formed in the German capital. His foreign minister was exiled Iraqi leader Rashid Ali al-Kilani and his war minister, Fawsi al-Kaukji.

Husseini called on his numerous disciples throughout the Middle East not to lose heart though their greatest hope - Rommel's conquest of Eretz Yisrael - was foiled. The mufti planned a triumphant return with the conquering Axis forces, and the construction of a death camp outside Nablus to implement the final solution of the Jewish problem in this region.

Despair after the Desert Rat's rout was immense, but Husseini wouldn' t give up. "Arise, o sons of Arabia," he exhorted his avid pro-Nazi followers. "Fight for your sacred rights. Slaughter Jews wherever you find them. Their spilled blood pleases Allah, our history and religion. That will save our honor."

The Mufit, Silk, sought the deaths of all Jews, not just European immigrants, and the murders that occurred in the uprisings he fomented 1929 through 1939 in the British Mandate were of fellow Arabs, just Arab Jews.

The fascist antisemitism, added to traditional Muslim antiselmitism, also ignited outside the Holy Land, one terrible example was the Iraqi Farhud [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/farhud.html ]

Jew hatred among some Muslims and soe Muslim regimes was present long before 1948, Silk--as was violence by Muslims against Jews. [ http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_(gen).html ]

There were other times when Jews were relatively well-tolerated under Muslim rules, though always identified as an underclass.

Anyway, as demonstrated, the answer to your question if there were Muslims and Muslim leaders who terrorized (even murdered) Jews prior to 1948--either for Jew-hatred or their own political agenda is "Yes."

Respectfully,
History

P.S.  As an aside....it would be pleasant to visit a Muslim forum and not always be a target for Muslim ire and bias.  A simple on-topic conversation would be nice.  I understand that some, regardless of their religious or political affiliations or affectation, are "one trick ponies" and cannot engage in any other form of dialog--sadly.


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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 April 2009, 20:49 »
So "history"(if that is your real name) you say we could endeavour to work peaceably with israel to form a better future for our children? hmmmmm never thooough tof that. Ok let's give it a try. :salam1

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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 April 2009, 06:10 »
Tell me one thing, was Adolf Hitler a lunatic, why he decided to kill Jews, was it something Jews did to harm Germany which is they have always done wherever they lived, actually they betrayed Germany in the Frist World War.
 
You can only blame Mufti for siding with Hitler, this is the only name you got and he was not even a terrorist who was blowing up British military convoys and installations and residences but was a politician.
 
But I have got a dozen names of Jewish Terrorists turned Politicians, do you want me to give you the names or you already know it??? Some of them became prime minister of a terrorist state that came out of a barrel of a gun.
 
Please read the history (not the official one that is being taught to your kids in school) but the actual history.     

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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 April 2009, 09:45 »
Hi, Curious.
"History" is my Username, like yours is "curioustraveler."
I believe "working together" takes two (at least).
And open and honest Israeli-Palestinian, and Muslim-Jew ftm, dialog is the first essential.
It is not easy.
There are biases and mutual suffering (even if not mutually recognized--which is part of the problem) that impair such dialog.
It is a human failing to deny the other's concerns as equal with one's own.
And it is always easier to rebuke and scoff than to understand or perceive truth (see Silk's replies, for example).
Is such dialog possible?
Is a future where Israeli and Palestinian children live in peace and have productive lives possible?
Yes. ["If you wish it, it is no dream"--T Herzel]
It just requires work, a willingness to strive for a hopeful future than wallow in the hatreds of the past.
The past has its place--but it should not be permitted to overshadow the desire for a better future for all.
And it begins with us.
People who share this planet, who share our humanity (the good and ill), and desire to be productive rather than destructive, to create a better tomorrow for ourselves and those we love who come after us.

Just my humble opinon.

Good Shabbos.

Respectfully,
History


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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 April 2009, 09:50 »
Silk,
You simply do not know history.
Or are incable of viewing it except through the dark lens of your bigotries.

Respectfully,
History

P.S.  Many Jews, including members of my own family, served in Germany in WW1 with distinction and received medals of honor.  Unfortunately those who lived to the time of the Nazi regime were murdered in the camps.

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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 April 2009, 10:34 »
Bro I know both histories, the history that is prepared by Jews for the world to gain sympathy and the written history that comes from independent.

If you go through a book called “The Gun and the Olive Branch” written by David Hirst, a renowned British journalist expresses in detail how the Eastern European Jewry armed with Zionist Ideas and explosive intentions.

This is very true to say that Jews collaborated with British  thru Disraeli and arranged for the “Balfour Declaration” in 1917/1918, the irony was that it came at a moment when Jews were only 5 t0 7% of the total population in Palestine.

It also should be noted that at the same time that Arab population were 90% peasants and had no political awareness and guns, when the new arrivals came, they had vulgar attitude towards Moslems of Palestine and often these Eastern European Jews were found to be committing sexual lewdness in the open, which naturally enraged the local Moslems.

Now, I should also let you know that among the fresh arrivals were Vladimir Jabotinskys, Biernbaums, Begins, Shamirs, Rabins, Weizmanns who organized terrorist organizations like Irgun, Stern Gang, Hagannah etc.

Haji Amin was NOT a terrorist and was a local politician, not like the future terrorist turned politicians turned Prime Ministers of openly terrorist state of Israel.

The Jewish hatred for seemingly non-violent peasant by profession Arabs can be seen here through the eyes of Benjamin Freedman, a Jew himself:


Benjamin Freedman Speaks:

Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.

Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean. Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time, the French army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting, they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started." England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.

While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I am going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make -- they said: "Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally." The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war." In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey."


Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain, that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States into the war. However, they did make that promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally pro-German, entered the war as Britain's ally.

I say that the United States was almost totally pro-German because the newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by Jews; and they, the Jews, were pro-German. They were pro-German because many of them had come from Germany, and also they wanted to see Germany lick the Czar. The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war.

These German-Jew bankers, like Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!" But they poured money into Germany, they fought beside Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like a traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. They were no good. Shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis, saying "Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war." That's how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were railroaded into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is something that the people of the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War I.

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: "Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war." They didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the war. The United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the war ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know.

Now what happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, said, "How about Palestine for us?" And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, "Oh, so that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war." The Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated; they suffered the terrific reparations that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and were determined to get it at any cost.

That brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany. You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The Germans felt: "Well, that was quite a sellout."

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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 April 2009, 12:05 »
Silk, you keep changing the topic of discussion in a schizophrenic fashion.

You did not ask about whether I acknowledged there were Jewish militants attacking British and other targets prior to 1948.

You asked if there were any Muslim "terrorists" prior to 1948, as if to deny there were any violent acts against Jews prior to 1948.  I demonstrated for you there were many such incidents and many groups inspired by their leaders who committed organized acts of violence against Jews--nearly always their Arab Jewish neighbors (which explains why Israel's Arab Jewish majority is more distrustful of their former Arab brethren that Israeli's of European descent, btw).

You have degenerated into cut-and-paste of antisemitc canards (which is part of why you have had difficulty with posting on other Muslim forums you and I frequent).   I'd report you to the Moderator--but you're the Moderator. :D

As I said...."it would be pleasant to visit a Muslim forum and not be a target for Muslim ire and bias.  A simple on-topic conversation would be nice.  I understand that some, regardless of their religious or political affiliations or affectation, are "one trick ponies" and cannot engage in any other form of dialog--sadly."

Good Shabbos. (and Chag Semach [it's Pesach!])

Respectfully,
Hitory

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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #18 on: Friday 10 April 2009, 17:24 »
Tell me one thing, was Adolf Hitler a lunatic, why he decided to kill Jews, was it something Jews did to harm Germany which is they have always done wherever they lived, actually they betrayed Germany in the Frist World War.
 
do you think the jews should be exterminated?



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Re: A Palestinian refugee's open letter to Obama
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 11 April 2009, 07:46 »
You wanna bet on Moslem tolerance, but you have no ideo how Jew treat Moslems, try this one name yourself Mohammad Aslam or any other Moslem name go to a Jewish forum and ask silly question, You will be lucky if you survive 30 minutes.

Bro History, Moslems are and have been very tolerant of Jews and Christians, compare Christian crusades and pogroms against Jews and collect data on Moslem atrocities against Jews, and you will now .

 



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